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Moe Levine

the critical view of the legal industry and the law firm business model expressed by Cisco General Counsel Mark Chandler . . .

Why doesn't this reference make you as guilty of the investment bankers you attack who may investing so hard you have to hire their services?

as for Chandler, he needs to go read Forbes before he starts complaining about the 65 billion in gross receipts for lawyers, last year.

According to the current Forbes, all public companies in the USA made about 800 billion in profits last year, for which they willing paid 300 billion in profits to Wall Street.

Said differently, lawyers "costs" were +/- 1/5 the profits big business willingly paid to Wall Street. Comparatively, we are not the problem.

Chandler's speech is nothing but a blow hard sounding off. The simple fact is that h/m is the cheapest way for clients to buy legal services. The reason is fairly obvious. Law is about the easiest business to enter--there really are no barriers to entry by comparison to any other business. With an investment of less than $100,000, anyone who can pass a written test can be in the law business. Last I looked a McDonalds was north of $3 million in most suburban areas.

Law is about as close to "perfect competition" as is possible. By definition such a market produces the lowest cost to consumers.

That doesn't, by the way, mean that all consumers can afford a lawyer--that is not the purpose of a market. If it were true we could all afford new cars every year and steak or lobster for dinner every night.

It is merely an observation about the structure of the present market.

John Walker

Moe -

Thanks for your comments. Looks like you may have changed your name from John Davidson to Moe Levine.

A couple of quick comments: Mark Chandler did not complain "about the $65 billion in gross receipts for lawyers, last year" - I used that number, from the American Lawyer as I noted, to illustrate the fact that practicing law is a business. I assume that you don't dispute that it's a business.

Secondly, the absence of barriers to entry actually leads to "intense competition," not necessarily "perfect competition" as you postulate; and, in any event, does not equate to the lowest cost to consumers. To quote Michael Porter, "The extreme case of competitive intensity is the economist's perfectly competitive industry, where entry is free, existing firms have no bargaining power against suppliers and customers, and rivalry is unbridled because the numerous firms and products are all alike." I don't think you are conceding that law firms have no bargaining power against their clients, nor do I think you're asserting that all law firms and products are alike. Also, under the lack of entry barrier condition, competitive advantages (including the ability to be the low cost producer) generally disappear, and businesses must operate as efficiently and as effectively as possible - something I think law firms do not do - in order to produce the lowest cost to consumers.

Finally, as an example, in an industry where, unlike other industries, the businesses (law firms) hire raw talent at $145,000 to $160,000 a year and then bill the client/customer directly on an hourly basis for that "newbie" to learn on the job as opposed to "eating" that training cost, the legal market is not producing "the lowest cost to consumers."

Maynard G. Krebs

It would be easier to follow "Moe's" comment if (A) he had the ability to express himself in complete sentences, and (B) Curly and Larry would pitch in to correct his obviously inadequate reading comprehension ability. Inasmuch as his unsupported, and unsupportable, allegation that law practice is the easiest business to enter is poppycock, the remainder of his comment, based upon that idiotic "statement," is necessarily balderdash. Then again, when one argues by proclamation and tautology, the sky's the limit, isn't it? Here's hoping that your next troll is of higher intellectual caliber.

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